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Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:21 pm
by Chuckt
Hoverboards Raise Potential Concerns: What You Need to Know About the Hot Holiday Gift

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/hoverb ... d=35510040

Re: Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:54 pm
by brad
I'm tipping the huge amounts of lithium-ion batteries!

Re: Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:19 am
by Chuckt
Just be careful, Brad.

Hoverboard Catches Fire in Jersey Shore Home
Officials said the Ocean County fire marshal is investigating and that residents should not leave the boards unattended while charging.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... 38541.html

Hoverboard still in box catches fire at the mall

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:48 am
by Chuckt
A hoverboard fire forced an evacuation at Deerbrook Mall in Humble on Dec. 28. No injuries or damage to the mall was reported.KHOU
They've all been removed after one of them caught fire while still sitting in a box.
http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/20 ... /77987582/

I'm sorry that I sound like a broken record.

Re: Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:48 pm
by brad
I saw some kids riding these the other day for the first time. I wonder what exactly the trigger is for these to catch fire?

Re: Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:31 am
by Chuckt
brad wrote:I saw some kids riding these the other day for the first time. I wonder what exactly the trigger is for these to catch fire?
Lithium is classified as a hazardous material and has to be shipped with a UN number:

UN 3090 9 Lithium batteries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... 01_to_3100

Lithium oxidizes and anything that oxidizes has special containment rules for transportation. See your local Commercial Driving Manual for the rules on transporting oxidizers but the rule in the Emergency Response Guide is #138.

http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/ ... n/138.html

Oxidation is where the Lithium is losing its electrons due to a chemical reaction to water or steam (your breath, humidity, etc) and those electrons are lost to another element like air or water so if there is heat or electricity present (Lithium Battery) then there is a source for combustion. I am not a chemist so you can take this explanation with a lot of scrutiny.
Lithium oxide is used as a flux in ceramic glazes; and creates blues with copper and pinks with cobalt. Lithium oxide reacts with water and steam, forming lithium hydroxide and should be isolated from them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_oxide

There was a case in the news where a man put a cree flashlight in his mouth and the flashlight exploded giving him burns and sending him to the hospital. I believe the flashlight had a lithium battery. The air we exhale has a small amount of humidity or water in it as most of us are made up of water and the air propels the water particles.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /21926663/

If you go to Youtube, there is a video where someone drops a lithium battery in water and the result is disastrous. I would post the video but there is bad language in it. So if you had a lithium battery in your basement or shed and it flooded, I can only imagine the reaction from water.

Why Lithium Batteries Catch Fire

http://chemistry.about.com/od/everydayc ... h-Fire.htm

BU-304a: Safety Concerns with Li-ion

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/arti ... ith_li_ion
Data compiled by the FAA from 1991 to 2007 states that 27 percent of all incidents occurred with lithium batteries and 68 percent with other battery chemistries. With lithium battery, 68 percent failed by external and internal short circuits, 15 percent by charging and discharging and 7 percent by unintentional activation of devices; 12 percent covers the rest. About 70 percent of non-lithium incidents occurred by short circuit, 11 percent by unintentional activation of devices and 2 percent by charging and discharging; 17 percent covers the rest. In another study from 1991 to 2012, the FAA recorded 132 batteries leading to smoke, extreme heat, fire or explosion.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/arti ... _batteries

I have energizer brand lithium batteries made for the American market and most of mine are AA type batteries. The charger that Energizer gave me makes the batteries red hot and I emailed them and they wanted me to exchange the charger for the same charger. I since bought an intelligent charger for Lithium batteries made with fire resistant plastic and my 18650 batteries are always cool to the touch. I haven't tried charging the Energizer Lithium batteries in it.

There are fires with regular batteries. A lot of people use battery maintainers to maintain antique vehicles but vehicles with dual batteries can present a challenge to those electronics because one battery can place a strain on a second vehicle battery and batteries can catch fire at 3 AM in the morning when no one is paying attention.

Re: Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:11 am
by Chuckt
This is a tame video:


Re: Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:17 am
by Chuckt
The answer is that Lithium creates hydrogen gas and we know what happened to the Hindenburg:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster





Again, these videos are tame compared to some of the ones I found on the web.

Nail penetration testing Standard Li-ion

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:20 am
by Chuckt

Re: Some Hoverboards Catching Fire

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:33 am
by Chuckt
Some of the suggestions I have received is that some lithium batteries are water proof because the pouch surrounding a lipo battery is tight and that some batteries have the anode and cathode far enough apart but if you have a short then failure grows out of that.

Bad Assumptions & Why Lithium-Ion Batteries Still Catch Fire

http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?secti ... id=1321941

Here are the reasons why so many hoverboards are catching fire

http://www.cnet.com/news/why-are-hoverb ... hing-fire/

AREN’T LITHIUM ION BATTERIES A FIRE HAZARD?

http://highvoltagehotrods.com/arent-lit ... re-hazard/

There may be other mechanisms but I think the advice in these links are worthy of consideration as to the failures and causes of lithium battery problems.