Think About Life.

By brad, July 6, 2013

How did we get here?

Have you ever thought about how we got here? Have a look around, how amazing and intricate is this world that we live in. How amazing is the human body with all of it’s functions. We are the result of a well thought out and implemented plan by an amazing designer – God.

Have a think about this – The projects on my site don’t come about just by chance. There wasn’t some big bang and voila! Out popped a fully functional POV display.

I had to first think about the project, what did I want it to do? what components did I need to build it? how would these components come together to form the completed project? How would I code it?

You see, There was alot of forward thinking and planning involved, Just like everything else you see in the world today. We as humans are by nature – planners. We first set out a plan and then we perform the required steps to execute that plan. It is not surprising since God is the master planner and we are made in His image.

 

The Big Bang

Have you thought about the big bang theory? that the world we live in and all the amazing living things in it were brought about just by chance? If you believe that then it stands to reason that you would believe that the result of a tornado ripping through a junkyard could be a jumbo jet.

The same is true for all of us. God designed and created us in His image. We are not the result of some accident. Each of us are unique and are far more advanced than any circuit or project than you or I could come up with. We all have been given different gifts, talents and abilities.

I would encourage anyone reading this to think about life. Honestly think about how we got here and where we go when our time here on earth is up.

Jesus loves You and me. Jesus came to die for us so that we could have eternal life with Him in Heaven. Think about that – eternity! We are on this earth for maybe 80 years. That is nothing compared to eternity.

Atheism

Atheism is the belief that there is no God. However just because you don’t believe in something doesn’t mean that it does not exist. In order to be able to prove that God does not exist – you essentially need to be God. I.E. you need to be all present and all knowing.

You would need to know everything about the entire universe – every nook and cranny. In order to conclusively say that something does not exist you would have have had to have searched everywhere and not found what you were looking for.

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  • Chet Shackleton

    Hi Brad,

    I came across your LEDboy project recently, which I thought was fantastic. While exploring your site, I was honestly a bit surprised to see posts of an evangelical nature included with more in-depth electronics information. And it appears to be a very contentious topic among your readers, with some vowing to no longer follow your work!

    I really liked your point about how people are prone to separating religion/spirituality and science. We should be clear though, that science is not just a study of the perceivable universe, but a method as well. It’s a method based on what can be proven, or at least theorized, based on all the observations we have. That idea is funamentally incompatible with Abrahamic religions, such as Christianity, which hinge on accepting certain beliefs based on faith, without evidence. It’s troubling to see a clearly creative and intelligent person attempting to use science to validate their non-scientific beliefs. We can draw a nearly infinite number of conclusions from the ideas you propose, but instead you have selected one for us, not coincidentally the one you have strong faith in. A true practicioner of the scientific method, regardless of their beliefs, would simply pose a question, create a dialogue, and explore the many possibilities, rather than push a specific conclusion.

    You have been very polite to your readers who contend or reject your beliefs, but perhaps here is where you should study the closest. Religion and spirituality is a very personal and divisive topic, and it has obviously upset some people. You may feel that this is their problem, since you are only practicing what you believe by sharing it openly, by proclaiming the gospel. But put yourself in their shoes: imagine you were enjoying reading someone else’s blog, which contained lots of information centered around electronics and diy gaming. Unexpectedly, you see a few posts about religion, a religion you don’t believe in, with the author attempting to draw correlations and conclusions for you. Wouldn’t you feel a bit used, or at least a bit deceived?

    You certainly have a right to your beliefs. But by evangelizing, attempting to make others accept your conclusions about the nature of the universe, you actually do your beliefs a disservice. And you also do a disservice to the vast number of fearless pioneers before us, who chose to study the nature of reality, even if the outcomes did not correlate to religious doctrines. It is to them that we owe a tremendous debt, and their shoulders that we stand on.

    Good luck on your journey!

    CS

    • Brad Slattery

      Hi Chet, I am glad you like the LEDboy project, I certainly had a lot of fun making it and if you have had a bit of a look at my other projects, you’ve no doubt noticed that many of them follow a similar theme 🙂

      Thanks very much for taking the time to write your post you raise some good points which I’d like to reply to as best I can. I’d like to take it in small bite sized chunks if I could so this post will just address this particular paragraph:

      “I really liked your point about how people are prone to separating religion/spirituality and science. We should be clear though, that science is not just a study of the perceivable universe, but a method as well. It’s a method based on what can be proven, or at least theorized, based on all the observations we have. That idea is funamentally incompatible with Abrahamic religions, such as Christianity, which hinge on accepting certain beliefs based on faith, without evidence.”

      You say that the scientific method is incompatible with Christianity. Could you expand on what you mean by that? Or if I could ask another question of you, would you say that everything can be explained by science or by the scientific method?

      You then finish off that sentence with saying that Christianity hinges on accepting certain beliefs based on faith, without evidence. Now this sentence is one that really stuck out with me because it just doesn’t make sense. First of all let’s look at what faith is so we can get a clear picture of what it is (and I guess, what it isn’t).

      We act out in faith every single day. In order to have faith in something or to put your faith in something you first have to know that the thing you are putting your faith in, is real. Let me explain. A few minutes ago I walked into my study to work on the computer. I have a chair at my computer desk that I sit at. In order to sit in my chair I need to put my faith in the chair that it will support my weight and will not break. When I first bought the chair it came in pieces in a box and I had to assemble it myself. As I assembled the chair I made sure that each screw was done up tight and that each piece was in it’s rightful place, I also made sure that each piece was in good working order (I.E. it wasn’t broken). Once it was built I could put my faith in the chair that it could hold my weight because I knew it to be real, I knew it to be made of quality materials and I knew that it had been assembled correctly.

      You cannot put your faith in something that is not real, your brain will just not allow you to do that. That is called ‘wishful thinking’ I.E. believing in something even though you know that it is not real, or that it does not exist. God welcomes us to try him out just like I did with my chair. That is one thing that sets the Christianity apart from other belief systems. We are welcome to ask questions, to look at the order in the universe, to look at creation, to look through history. In all of these things we will find that God is real, and that God is true.

      Could I ask what your belief system is or to put it another way, what is your world view? How did you come to the conclusion that what you believe is true and that it is real? If I could bring up a question that I asked before, do you believe what you believe purely based on science and the scientific method?

      I would very much like to continue this discussion and as I mentioned before, You raised a lot of points in your first post and I clearly have not covered them all here but I just wanted to get a grounding for a more in-depth discussion.

      Thank you so much again Chet for taking the time to write your post.

      Regards,

      -Brad

      • Chet Shackleton

        Hi Brad,

        Thank you for the thoughtful response, I’ll address your questions and points as best I can.

        Firstly I think we need to make a distinction, between religious / spiritual faith, and the kind of faith in reality that you have described in your example.

        Your faith in your chair would more accurately be described as an assumption, or at most a belief — and not nearly as intense and personally defining as your spiritual beliefs. Otherwise, that must be one amazing chair!

        Jokes aside, I think I get what you’re trying to say. We have expectations of and beliefs about reality and future outcomes, based on our experiences and past outcomes. You’re confident that the chair will function as expected, based on the many times you’ve sat in it, along with the act of building it, and knowing the materials are reliable. And on a broader scale, the basic laws of reality, like physical mass and gravity, also prove the functionality of the chair.

        But foremost I think there’s a fault in your logic here. Or rather, a misunderstanding of the fundamental nature of spiritual faith, in particular your chosen faith of Christianity. At some point in your life you made a choice, based on your experiences, to put your faith in the Bible, Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, etc.. Christianity hinges on this choice to accept its savior, without definitive empirical proof, only the words and stories of divinely inspired people. This choice is in fact exalted as a virtue. Jesus is quoted as saying “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” As I understand it, this leap of faith is actually paramount to the Christian faith. And it’s the antithesis of the scientific method.

        If Christianity were in fact an application of the scientific method, then it’s disciples would be required to study all other known religions before accepting it. Then further, you would need to study all known texts associated with Christianity. This includes the Gnostic teachings, all of the gospels that were denied inclusion in the New Testament, and the various pre-Christian cults and beliefs from which Christianity derives. So, to put supreme faith in Christianity — or your chair — to the exclusion, distrust, or condemnation of all other religions — or all other chairs — is extremely unscientific.

        Throughout our known history, humans have constantly put their faith in the unreal. Your statement claiming the opposite is rather baffling, because it has no basis in reality, and even a brief glance at history disproves it. Many, many people have believed in a lot of wild and false things, and continue to into the present. If anything, it all points to the power of belief — humans have struggled and persevered, achieving much by holding on to certain beliefs, bringing order out of the chaos, making the unknown seem known, even if only temporarily. A worldview provides comfort and assurance and allows people to accomplish more, even forming a foundation through which we can align goals and cooperate in large groups, ultimately creating entire civilizations. However this reliance on belief also hinders us, it has a negative side. As shown by the seemingly endless tragedies of history, humans can also do some pretty despicable things to each other, based on differing belief systems. Too easily, we dismiss conflicting ideas and beliefs, even going so far as to dehumanize those who have them.

        Now I don’t want you to think I’m fundamentally anti-religious, and I don’t deny the existence of God. In fact, I think that there is a lot of scientific evidence and logic that suggests there is a God, or at very least things in this universe much larger and more intelligent than us, even beyond our ability to currently understand. But I don’t insist on the existence of God either, and I distinguish my spiritual journey from any one religion, and I study them all to gain understanding. Currently I think it’s much wiser and more humble to admit that I don’t know, and entertain all possibilities. However, if I’m going to be certain of one thing, it’s that we will not be eternally punished, by a God who loves us, for our own ignorance and mistakes. Even if we lack to capacity to realize it.

        CS

        • Brad Slattery

          Hi Chet, I apologise for the delayed response, life is pretty hectic at our house these days!

          Thanks again for taking the time to write your reply. You state that “Christianity hinges on this choice to accept its savior, without definitive empirical proof, only the words and stories of divinely inspired people.”

          What is definitive empirical proof to you?

          It is quite hard for God to reveal Himself, harder than you might think. For example, let’s say you woke up one morning, went into the kitchen to make some breakfast and sat down at the kitchen table. Then all of a sudden a bright light appears before you and a voice starts speaking to you saying “Chet, do not be afraid, I am God and I want you to know that I am real”. Would you then believe that the God of the Bible is real? If your answer is yes, then how can you be certain that God was actually talking to you and that someone hadn’t secretly been putting hallucinogenic gas into your bedroom as you sleep that caused you to have this vision.

          Part of the Christian claim is that God has revealed Himself to us through historical events which are critically examinable. For example if we look at the prophesies in the old testament relating to Jesus, we find that all of these prophesies were fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ. Not just through the life that He lived on earth, the miracles He performed, the death He died and the resurrection but even where and when He would be born. Historians (both secular and theists) believe almost without exception, that this Jesus spoken about in the Bible was a real person. This was part of the reason behind me asking if you think that everything / anything can be proven by science and the scientific method. For example, I am sure you would agree with me that the holocaust was a horrific period and that many atrocities were carried out. However since you weren’t there, what makes you so sure that it actually happened? What scientific test could you perform to prove that the holocaust actually occurred? We need to look into the testimonies of those who had experienced it either through talking to them directly or through reading their books or perhaps watching their videos.

          What if we go back in further, to events that took place so long ago that there are no longer any persons living that could give us a testimony of this event. Perhaps the signing of the declaration of independence back in 1776. How do we know that this is an actual event that took place? Well, we again need to gather historical evidence to come to a decisive conclusion that this in fact is true.

          I know I’ve ranted on a bit here but I think it’s a little strange that people can be so sure about some historical events (such as those just mentioned) but will then completely reject (or perhaps not investigate) other historical events such as is written in the Bible. If you truly look into the proof claims that the Bible makes and then do some research into the historical accuracy of these claims, you will find them to be true.

          I think it’s quite interesting that you made this comment “Throughout our known history, humans have constantly put their faith in the unreal. Your statement claiming the opposite is rather baffling, because it has no basis in reality, and even a brief glance at history disproves it.”

          I’m not sure exactly what you are saying here. I have made mention that you can’t put your faith in something that you know to not be real, your brain will not allow you to do it. I think what you are saying here is basically just ‘wishful thinking’. If I then understand what you are trying to get at here (and correct me if I am wrong) are you saying that if we look back in history we can prove that God is not real?

          You then made mention that there can be a negative side to religions, in this case let’s just say Christianity for example the inquisition where the Catholic church went around performing all sorts of atrocities in God’s name. However just because someone claims to be Christian doesn’t mean that they actually are. If we look at Hitler, he was very much against the God of the Bible and was heavily influenced by darwinian theory. This led him to slaughter millions of innocent people who apparently were further down in the evolutionary family tree. So I agree with you in that people have done horrible things – but this is not restricted to those who profess to be ‘Christian’.

          Something interesting here is that you claim that tragedies have happened (which I absolutely agree with) and you also say that humans can do some despicable things (I agree again!) however you then go on to say that you don’t insist on the existence of God. I don’t understand how you could live with this worldview – that there might be a God. If there is no God, then what is your moral foundation for calling something a tragedy? To what do you compare it to to label it as a tragedy? If there is no God how could there be a moral foundation for which to differentiate between right and wrong or good and evil? If you say that morality simply evolved or it came about as civilisations formed then which civilisation is right? Is it the one who feeds their neighbour or is it the one who kill and eat their neighbour?

          Furthermore, if there is no God and we evolved by random mutations and chemical reactions, why would we need any sort of morality? Isn’t it all about survival of the fittest, why then would people who don’t believe in God go and give blood, or donate to charity or do volunteer work – isn’t this going against their worldview? Don’t get me wrong here, I understand that there are many many many wonderful people who simply do not believe in God. They have a wonderful set of morals and they do some wonderful work in the name of charity and helping others. I love that and think it is fantastic. All I am saying here is that they are not being coherent with their worldview. If there is no God, then there is no moral law-giver therefor there is no moral law – so why would they stick to one?

          Now on the other hand if God does exist then wouldn’t you want to find out which one is the true God? We have such wonderful access to information these days, you can find all the information that you could need on any religion / worldview that is out there. Have a look in to each of them, study them, ask questions. They can’t all be true because they all make different claims about who God is. What I can tell you is that the God of the Bible is the real God. The Bible tells us that all have sinned and have fallen short of Gods standards however the great news is that Jesus came to die for our sins. It is through the cross of Christ that we can have communion with God. There is no other religion where you are able to have a personal relationship with God. There is no other religion where God exercises His mercy through His Judgement rather than in place of His judgement.

          Could I ask why (or how) you are certain that we will not be eternally punished? Romans 3v23 tells us “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” and Romans 1v20 tells us “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” Now I am sure that you are a person who is for seeing justice served. For example, if you were sitting in a court room and there was a man there accused of murder. You sit through the trial and there is overwhelming evidence to support that he is guilty – there is no question that he is guilty, he did murder the person. What would you want to have happen to the accused? I am quite certain that you would want to see justice served, you would most likely want him to go to jail for what he had done.

          Now how about with God, we are all without excuse we are to stand trial before God, there will be overwhelming evidence to show that we are in fact guilty of breaking God’s laws. If you wanted to see justice served for the accused for breaking the law in the previous example, why would you now say that we should throw justice out the window when it comes to us breaking God’s laws? Could you imagine what the world would be like if all the courts were like that? Imagine again that the accused murderer is standing trial, all the evidence shows that he is guilty and then the judge simply says “well, I can see that you are guilty, but since I’m a nice guy I will just let you off the hook, you’re free to go”. How would you feel? A court system like this would result in pure anarchy.

          God (the Father) is a just God who does not lay aside his judgement in place of mercy, but rather He sent His Son to pay the price for our transgressions – a price that we could never have payed (for there are none that are righteous, not even one). We will star before God and we will certainly be found guilty. If we have rejected Christ then we will pay the price for our sins which will be eternal separation from God (Sin cannot be in God’s presence). However if we have accepted Christ’s payment for our sins, then payment has been made for our sins.

          Alright I had better finish up there because I think i’m repeating myself!

          Thank you so much again for your comments and once again, I am very sorry for the lateness in my reply.

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